Mawaru Penguindrum - Weird show with penguins and a forbidden love

[thanh_kinkin]

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[Sphinx]

Vừa lượn qua MAL, thấy có cái theory này giải thích khá thỏa đáng vụ quả táo giữa ba anh em:

A purposeless Shouma saved Himari and gave her a family, thus shared his apple with her; Himari was henceforth given a purpose, but keep in mind that Shouma received nothing in turn. Then Kanba gets accepted into the family and Himari gives him the bandaid to keep the pain away, thus Kanba decides he'll do anything for her; here Himari was unknowingly sharing her apple with Kanba, because she gave him a purpose. Kanba was able to actually receive the apple because he wasn't completely empty and devoid of purpose like Shouma himself was, as Kanba already had precious people he wanted to protect (Masako and Mario, his words on the cage are a reference to them) as such his "box" was able to connect to the outside world, if only for a moment and the apple reaches him. And when he shares it with Shouma, Shouma's purpose becomes precisely that: Himari no Tame Ni + Kanba = Takakura Family's wellbeing.
That's the reason why Shouma is so single-minded about keeping the family united; because thats' what gave meaning to his existence, as such was what he inherited that day Kanba shared his apple with him. He, however, still remains kind of empty and from that comes his apparent uncapability to love, but Ringo comes around to change all that. When Ringo (whose name speaks for itself) comes around, she effectively becomes an apple for Shouma, a "whole" one all to himself, and she fulfills the part of Shouma that had remained closed-off to the world. He isn't able to accept it however until he lets his barriers down. The key difference here is that Ringo's metaphorical apple didn't give him a purpose, as he already had one, but gave him the will to break the chains of fate and be assertive, which is what he lacked.
Yuri and Tabuki talking about needing to be loved, and that is the apple. Being loved gives life meaning. Without this they would just 'become invisible', they would be unneeded and might aswell not exist, equivalent to death. This explains why Kanba broke apart and a flash fo the Child broiler was shown, he gave up his whole purpose (his half and the half Shouma gave back) and became invisible, he died. Whereas Shouma had an apple to himself, which he sacrificed in place of Ringo causing him to die in the flames.
Himari was the lamb chosen to die by the curse. This is why such lengths were needed to save her.
The cages represent their lives and social interacting, they are what Sanetoshi was talking about: "the box calles 'self'", the walls between people. Kanba and Shouma were 'unwanted children' and were starved of love, until Kanba received some from Himari. This was shared with Shouma creating their family. This shared love giving both of them life was eventually put back together to give life back to Himari who had died. (It may be a little hard to wrap your head around the apples, Penguindrums being both a metaphor for love/purpose and an actual thing giving life.) They were never released from their cages, they just shared between them and were not starved. Sanetoshi never found love or a purpose, and no one reached out to him as Kanba did to Shouma. He was alone in his cage with the walls seperating him from everyone else, he hated the world and wanted to destroy it.
"Simply put, the apple is also a reward for those chosen to die for love."
Because both boys chose love in the end (like the apple dialogue in episode 1 says), they both are rewarded with their own apples, making this "just the beginning."
These 'apples' are their Penguindrum. Shouma gave Himari, Himari gave Kanba, Kanba gave Shouma. Mawaru Penguindrum
-somebody on reddit

As to why Kanba died, I think I have a new theory. Remember how Yuri's dad and his tower were erased during Momoka's fate transfer - what was the explanation ? They were chief components of Yuri's unhappy fate; thus, when fate was transferrred, they had to be erased. Likewise, Himari suffered due to the punishment due to Kenzan & Kiga co.'s sins in the subway bombing, so the Kiga group, Kenzan, Sanetoshi's curse, etc. were also key factors of her doomed fate. Kanba is much too involved with Kiga (hell, for all we know, perhaps part of the Himari's punishment is also for Kanba's actions), thus he was also part of an unhappy world, an undesirable world, one in which Himari couldn't find happiness and had to die. Therefore, during the fate transfer, he had to disappear.

As to the penguindrum & "let's share the fruit of fate" question, some guy proposed the theory that the methods of fate transferring Momoka and Ringo use are different. "Let's share the fruit of fate" is Himari's favorite saying (she got it from Shoma), and the penguindrum is what the three of them share and what connect their fate - so together, these two devices can transfer Himari's fate. Momoka's spell and her diary is a different combination to do it. The key to both transfers seem to be belief, or something. We don't know for sure how fate transfer actually works, so I can't really tell.

[blackangel]

Có ai trả lời cho mình thắc mắc này ko?
Momkoka transfer fate cứu Yuri, làm cho bố Yuri biến mất, nhưng cả Yuri và Momoka đều nhớ được. Lần này Ringo là người thực hiện, tại sao Ringo lại quên? ;_;

[Strawberry]

Nguyên văn bởi Sphinx

Vừa lượn qua MAL, thấy có cái theory này giải thích khá thỏa đáng vụ quả táo giữa ba anh em:

A purposeless Shouma saved Himari and gave her a family, thus shared his apple with her; Himari was henceforth given a purpose, but keep in mind that Shouma received nothing in turn. Then Kanba gets accepted into the family and Himari gives him the bandaid to keep the pain away, thus Kanba decides he'll do anything for her; here Himari was unknowingly sharing her apple with Kanba, because she gave him a purpose. Kanba was able to actually receive the apple because he wasn't completely empty and devoid of purpose like Shouma himself was, as Kanba already had precious people he wanted to protect (Masako and Mario, his words on the cage are a reference to them) as such his "box" was able to connect to the outside world, if only for a moment and the apple reaches him. And when he shares it with Shouma, Shouma's purpose becomes precisely that: Himari no Tame Ni + Kanba = Takakura Family's wellbeing.
That's the reason why Shouma is so single-minded about keeping the family united; because thats' what gave meaning to his existence, as such was what he inherited that day Kanba shared his apple with him. He, however, still remains kind of empty and from that comes his apparent uncapability to love, but Ringo comes around to change all that. When Ringo (whose name speaks for itself) comes around, she effectively becomes an apple for Shouma, a "whole" one all to himself, and she fulfills the part of Shouma that had remained closed-off to the world. He isn't able to accept it however until he lets his barriers down. The key difference here is that Ringo's metaphorical apple didn't give him a purpose, as he already had one, but gave him the will to break the chains of fate and be assertive, which is what he lacked.
Yuri and Tabuki talking about needing to be loved, and that is the apple. Being loved gives life meaning. Without this they would just 'become invisible', they would be unneeded and might aswell not exist, equivalent to death. This explains why Kanba broke apart and a flash fo the Child broiler was shown, he gave up his whole purpose (his half and the half Shouma gave back) and became invisible, he died. Whereas Shouma had an apple to himself, which he sacrificed in place of Ringo causing him to die in the flames.
Himari was the lamb chosen to die by the curse. This is why such lengths were needed to save her.
The cages represent their lives and social interacting, they are what Sanetoshi was talking about: "the box calles 'self'", the walls between people. Kanba and Shouma were 'unwanted children' and were starved of love, until Kanba received some from Himari. This was shared with Shouma creating their family. This shared love giving both of them life was eventually put back together to give life back to Himari who had died. (It may be a little hard to wrap your head around the apples, Penguindrums being both a metaphor for love/purpose and an actual thing giving life.) They were never released from their cages, they just shared between them and were not starved. Sanetoshi never found love or a purpose, and no one reached out to him as Kanba did to Shouma. He was alone in his cage with the walls seperating him from everyone else, he hated the world and wanted to destroy it.
"Simply put, the apple is also a reward for those chosen to die for love."
Because both boys chose love in the end (like the apple dialogue in episode 1 says), they both are rewarded with their own apples, making this "just the beginning."
These 'apples' are their Penguindrum. Shouma gave Himari, Himari gave Kanba, Kanba gave Shouma. Mawaru Penguindrum
-somebody on reddit

As to why Kanba died, I think I have a new theory. Remember how Yuri's dad and his tower were erased during Momoka's fate transfer - what was the explanation ? They were chief components of Yuri's unhappy fate; thus, when fate was transferrred, they had to be erased. Likewise, Himari suffered due to the punishment due to Kenzan & Kiga co.'s sins in the subway bombing, so the Kiga group, Kenzan, Sanetoshi's curse, etc. were also key factors of her doomed fate. Kanba is much too involved with Kiga (hell, for all we know, perhaps part of the Himari's punishment is also for Kanba's actions), thus he was also part of an unhappy world, an undesirable world, one in which Himari couldn't find happiness and had to die. Therefore, during the fate transfer, he had to disappear.

As to the penguindrum & "let's share the fruit of fate" question, some guy proposed the theory that the methods of fate transferring Momoka and Ringo use are different. "Let's share the fruit of fate" is Himari's favorite saying (she got it from Shoma), and the penguindrum is what the three of them share and what connect their fate - so together, these two devices can transfer Himari's fate. Momoka's spell and her diary is a different combination to do it. The key to both transfers seem to be belief, or something. We don't know for sure how fate transfer actually works, so I can't really tell.

Bộ này mind f*ck dữ. Nhưng ít ra cũng có chút theory, còn hơn là cliffhanger

[Sphinx]

Momkoka transfer fate cứu Yuri, làm cho bố Yuri biến mất, nhưng cả Yuri và Momoka đều nhớ được. Lần này Ringo là người thực hiện, tại sao Ringo lại quên? ;_;

Ringo quên Kanba và Shoma vì trong new world of fate transfer, 2 đứa nó là 2 thằng cu khác (đi cùng nhau ở cuối ep), chứ Kanba và Shoma mà Ringo đã biết ở old world đâu có tồn tại ở đây Còn Yuri vẫn nhớ bố mình là vì Momoka không thể xóa sổ hoàn toàn lão ấy, vì nếu lão ấy chưa từng tồn tại như kiểu Kanba và Shoma thì Yuri cũng đâu có ra đời được Chắc là fate transfer kiểu gì đó cho lão ý chết vì tai nạn, đột tử, v.v. thôi

[numt]

Hôm nay mới catch up đến ep23

đoạn cuối có nói đến cast away the box call "self" làm mình nhớ ngay đến Evagelion

Xem xong ep cuối rồi Happy ED, làm mình cũng rơm rớm

đoạn Shouma với Kanba ngay trước lúc fate transfer quả thật xúc động